Антон Носик ([info]anton_nossik) wrote,
@ 2008-03-20 04:32:00
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A note to English-speaking readers
It had been brought to my attention, that some of my comments, carried on Tuesday by a Russian online daily called Izbrannoe, drew immense criticisms from many American LJ readers and users, who were never given a chance to read them in the first place. Some were basing their impressions on a machine translation, and others, even worse, on a recount of that translation by a third party, who, in just indignation, went on to distort whatever little was left of my original words.

Since I do not want fellow LJ users to be offended by things I've never said or meant, I find it appropriate to offer some clarifications.

Who I am and on whose behalf I am speaking
Let me start with one small clarification, which should show, to what extent the distortion had been thorough and wholesome.

There were many job titles ascribed to me by republishers of my maimed comments. They called me the head of Sup, the Russian Master(s) of LiveJournal, the chief of Sup Blogging Service et cetera. Not a single reference to my actual title and responsibilities with the company, which, I believe, is a somewhat relevant fact, when one tries to present my words as the official position of the corporation.

Anyone visiting dolboebmy blog in LJ (not reading it, just looking at the first page) is offered a glimpse at my pages in some networks, like LinkedIn and Facebook, and he can see my official English title there. It's called Social Media Evangelist. Probably, this title requires some clarification, but several things are quite obvious even without it. It's clear enough, that I'm neither the head of this company. nor an executive officer, nor the head of LiveJournal department, nor a principal shareholder. Indeed, I have some serious knowledge of the service, having used it for over 7 years, earning two Permanent Accounts as early as in the Spring of 2001. My blog on LJ is among the top 5 most read journals in Russia. A score of early LJ adopters in Russia either learned about the service from my articles, or used my invite codes to join. Therefore, when SUP company first started cooperation with LiveJournal, in fall of 2006, they invited me to contribute my knowledge of the service, acting as an advisor, and I felt it quite natural to join. This doesn't mean that I am in a position to change things in LiveJournal at will (outside my own blog), or that the company must have my permission before doing any changes to LJ. To make long story short, I was never part of the decision to stop offering basic accounts, I learned about it during my trip to the States, from the press, asking me for comments which I couldn't offer, for lack of knowledge. This, I believe, was an indication of a severe communication error within the company, and I hope it's being fixed now, and won't be repeated.

What Izbrannoe published was my personal opinion of a veteran Russian LJ blogger, who happens to know the service since its early days, to love and value it, and who's seen his share of scandals, protests and flashmobs over the years. I believe that I am entitled to my own independent opinion, which needs not reflect either the positions or the motives of the corporation I work for. Sup has its top management, there is also a press-service in both hemispheres, so there is absolutely no need to construe my own personal opinion of a Russian blogger (and creator of such respected free speech outlets as Lenta.Ru, Gazeta.Ru and NewsRu.Com) as an official message of Sup corporation, or its management, to the LJ users.

Indeed, anyone has the legal right to demand (by strikes, boycotts, threats, flashmobs or petitions), that the company should now fire me for my personal views and beliefs. Such demands had been made a thousand times over the years, from different companies I worked for, since many of my views (as well as my race and creed) are seen as controversial by some people, including my own bosses. But there is absolutely no reason to take my personal views of a veteran LJ user as an official stance of any corporation on Earth.

And now, still speaking in my personal quality, I would like to address some specific issues, that had been misquoted, mistranslated or misconstrued from my comments.
I did not dismiss user complaints
Neither did I dismiss any complaints from LJ users, nor am I in charge of handling complaints in LJ. There is a team of extremely professional and competent people, both LJ/SUP employees and volunteers, who do that, and none of them is my subordinate. All I said was that not a single LJ account out of the 15 something millions created before March 12, was affected by the changes introduced. This might seem trivial to an attentive reader of the original LJ news post, but, unfortunately, Russian press and part of the blogosphere is awash with speculation about basic accounts being "shut down" or "liquidated", or "users of basic accounts made to pay for the service since March 12th" and other such horrors. On Wednesday alone I was approached by at least 6 journalists asking my comments about "the closure of basic accounts in LJ". I don't feel it's wrong to dispel these false statements, even if some users do believe in them and do complain about this "closure".

I did not call anyone an idiot
I never called anyone an idiot in this interview, especially not anyone involved in the ongoing discussion of basic accounts. Speaking of a 2006 protest against the introduction of sponsored communities in LiveJournal (see [info]antisponsoredlj for the story), I said, that contacts of LJ advertisers were posted in public, together with an invitation to flood them with calls of protest, thus undermining the LJ ads business. In my personal opinion, it's an idiocy for an LJ user, wishing well to the service, to follow such instructions from someone whose contribution to LJ is unclear, to say the least. But I believe no one did follow them.
The said community also carried an open letter to Brad Fitzpatrick, which I also mentioned, with these words in bold: Brad. I'm saying you don't know how to care about LiveJournal.
Later there had been some Russian protests against Sup, carrying much the same wording, and also making a mention of calls to advertisers. Some of them were made or popularized by LJ's and Sup's direct competitors.
Here, again, I believe, that such calls did not find any followers.
And many calls I've heard in the recent days, about teaching LJ a lesson, are reminding me of these past protests. Can't do anything about it: I have a long memory.

I did not say we won't return basic accounts because of the boycott
Speaking of my quote, where I allegedly say that the boycott might be the reason not to review the freeze on basic accounts, confusion here originates from the Russian journalists' editing of my words (the comments were neither written, nor proofread by me, the published piece was actually a freeform abstract of a 2-hour long phone conversation). What I was actually saying, was that threats should not be the reason influencing decisions, if we want these decisions to be sane, reasonable, motivated and acceptable for all parties. Decisions should be made when they are ripe and integral, not by a calendar date set by a third party, who assumes no responsibility for their outcome.

Facts from LJ history: who's lying?
There's been quite a rude personal attack on me in an editorial in Firefox News by one Ms. Melissa Wilson, who obviously hasn't understood any of my comments, but goes to great lengths further distorting them, and sparing no harsh words when it comes to characterizing me and my views. The lady can't spell either my name or my job title, but that's probably not an obstacle for a true expert in LJ matters.

Then he (that's probably me — A.N.) lied about the previous payment structure which existed before SixApart purchased the company... — Ms. Wilson writes. — I'd like to take this time to point out that I've had a Livejournal account since 2002, and a Paid account since 2003. Paid accounts, even then, offered more icons, more space, and more bells and whistles, and those of us who came to the service free found that we liked it enough to pay for more. Nosik is gravely mistaken about the history of his own company, and that's a serious problem on its own.

I wouldn't want to discuss, whether I am lying, or mistaken. I would simply quote the document, that was found on http://www.livejournal.com/paidaccounts/ when I started a Paid, then a Permanent account back there in 2001. Luckily, the text is freely available from Archive.Org for anyone who cares to see for himself, who's lying here, who's mistaken, and who was simply quoting the LJ official position about payments.

I have to pay to use LiveJournal? That's stupid!
No, of course not... paying for web services is annoying, we agree. That's why nearly all of LiveJournal's functionality is available free of charge. However, if you're happy with the service you're being provided, show your support and get a paid account.

It takes money to run websites (for servers, colocation, and bandwidth), and this seems like a better way to pay for it than blasting you with pop-up banner ads and spamming you with advertisements.


Just for the record I must say, that when Ms. Wilson purchased her account in 2003, the wording was still the same, although some bells and whistles started appearing in Paid Accounts. It was last seen there in July 2005, and was actually gone next month, when the same page started hinting, that LiveJournal had actually produced some services worth paying for, and wasn't just asking money to avoid showing banners on any of its pages. This was also the moment, when the ad-bashing rhetoric has been removed.

Speaking of the shift in LJ business model, these are the plain facts, that, in my humble opinion, are self-explanatory.

Were freeloaders really so welcome in donation-backed LJ?
One last relevant fact I would like to mention, if we're suddenly nostalgic about the pre-SixApart years of LiveJournal, is this. For more than two years the only way to get on LiveJournal for an outsider was by paying money. The free alternative was to beg an existing user for an invite code, but this was no analog to Gmail's 99 invitations for every newbie, or to Facebook's 20 per day per applet, with supply renewed constantly. LiveJournal offered its users something like 1 invitation code per new account created, and generated 1 code per month for a paying user. The only exception was Permanent Accounts, we had a bigger supply of invites, 5 per month, but I soon ran short of these as well, and had to pay a 2 months' minimum fee of $5 for any friend I wished to introduce to the brave new world of LiveJournal. I even used to have a small monthly budget to pay Brad for getting Russian friends on board every month (being the only Russian user in LJ, who wasn't banned by IP when he was paying — I was personally excluded from the IP geographical check).

So much for the myth about freeloaders beeing more welcome in LiveJournal of 2002-2003, than they are today.

Let's hope tomorrow is another day, and we'll soon leave all these scandals, threats and misunderstandings behind us, together with the bad decisions that led to them, and the bad feelings that helped fuel the flames.



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[info]dolboeb
2008-03-20 01:52 am UTC (link)
Скандалят американские, им и отвечаю. Хотя спасибо, это разумное уточнение, ща поправим.

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[info]filologinoff
2008-03-20 01:56 am UTC (link)
Шутка дня. Представил, у скольких троллей головы взорвутся. Браво! =))))))

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[info]yefeyfiya
2008-03-20 02:06 am UTC (link)
Про отмену регистрации базовых аккаунтов: весьма обидно, что суп не хотел держать обещание. Пункт 28: http://www.rian.ru/online/20061025/55130649.html

Хотя, очевидно, что проблема далеко не в этом, а в том, что супу все меньшее количество народа доверяет, и все у большего количества людей появляется ощущение, что на юзеров супу посрать, поскольку маловероятно, что уйдут не только идейные еденицы, и постольку достойной альтернативы у жж нет, да и постольку уже имеющеющуюся аудиторию людям в большинстве терять жалко.

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[info]yefeyfiya
2008-03-20 02:07 am UTC (link)
хотя, в принципе это не совсем ложь. они сохранятся. у тех, у кого были. просто новых не завести...

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[info]rightxhere
2008-03-20 02:08 am UTC (link)
can't this be posted as a news post?

also, a huge number of LJs users are NOT American (and yet still English-speaking). Or, do we not matter as much?

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[info]beckyzoole
2008-03-20 02:37 am UTC (link)
Anton, you've made some good points in your post, but much of it still looks like spin to me.

May I suggest that the next time you are contacted for an interview with the press, if you are 'asked me for comments which you can't offer, for lack of knowledge', your correct response should be "No Comment"?

Because the response you did give Izbrannoe was more than a little disturbing. And it certainly was presented as a SUP response, not as the opinions of a private blogger.

Your title at SUP is CBO (Chief Blogging Officer), according to your blurbs at technorati, BlogFerence, and other sources. "Social Media Evangelist" is cute on Facebook, though. And, of course, you have the right to call yourself anything you want.

In your recent interview with Izbrannoe you are identified as a leader of LJ. I referred to you as a director. (I have certainly never called you "the Russian Master of LiveJournal", as you allege.)

Would you please clarify your relationship to SUP and LJ on your userinfo page, as most staff members do, rather than direct us to other sites?

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[info]olgana
2008-03-20 02:54 am UTC (link)
It is still spin.

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you like blunt talk? ok, we can do that. - [info]pir_anha, 2008-03-20 08:51 am UTC (Expand)
Re: you like blunt talk? ok, we can do that. - [info]nameless_0ne, 2008-03-20 10:04 am UTC (Expand)
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[info]merig00
2008-03-20 02:57 am UTC (link)
should have written this post long ago

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[info]dolboeb
2008-03-20 05:15 am UTC (link)
How long ago? I've been in town for all day, so I wrote it as soon as I saw my computer, and had some time to read the reactions.

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funny
[info]v888
2008-03-20 04:00 am UTC (link)
It took you a while to start claiming that you've been misquoted.
You did not say it in your multiple comments on the topic yesterday.

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[info]dolboeb
2008-03-20 05:19 am UTC (link)
I have my opinion on the topic, and it hasn't changed.
And there are misquotes, that I saw today, such as calling people idiots, when I clearly said they were not, or saying the decision will not be reviewed, when I said just the opposite.

Couldn't object yesterday to what I only saw today. Sorry, I'm not a prophet.

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it's even funnier then - [info]v888, 2008-03-20 06:15 am UTC (Expand)
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[info]toshirodragon
2008-03-20 04:00 am UTC (link)
Where on Earth did you find a bicycle that goes in reverse? Cause you are sure backpedaling with a vengeance....

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[info]totally_fierce
2008-03-20 04:13 pm UTC (link)
FTW!!!!

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[info]zikki_majestic
2008-03-20 04:39 am UTC (link)
Unbelievable. Zasurskiy style at its best.
I'm one person at my work, and completely another at my home.
One truth for my company, the opposite for my blog readers.
The person who is in some way has relation to "social" sphere can not call its users "marginal".
In fact, he can not call even a single user marginal.
That's because long ago LJ started from one user and that's because it's in no way social.
You have shown your personal ATTITUDE. Thank you.
I don't think that there's some kind of other ATTITUDE of yours that comes to effect when you're in your office and fades away when you're out of it.
There are some places where you just can not hide.

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[info]dolboeb
2008-03-20 05:29 am UTC (link)
The person who is in some way has relation to "social" sphere can not call its users "marginal".

I never called any users marginal.
But any initiative can be called marginal, if it is.
And the [info]antisponsoredlj community linked above was indeed marginal, since it did not represent but a small group of users, voicing their own personal dissent, for which they failed to attract any broader support.

Or are you trying to say, that I got it all wrong, and they did enjoy support of all users in LJ?

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Never say never again :) - [info]labas, 2008-03-20 01:29 pm UTC (Expand)
хехе - [info]moola, 2008-03-20 01:57 pm UTC (Expand)
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две большие разницы - [info]geshulka, 2008-03-20 03:02 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]redeem147
2008-03-20 05:05 am UTC (link)
Thank you. I wasn't planning to become involved with Friday's planned strike, but I must admit the version I read of what you had said upset me. I also figured it was probably coloured by poor translation or possibly cultural differences.

I appreciate this post.

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[info]cacahuate
2008-03-20 05:07 am UTC (link)
Is this translation accurate? You didn't address the parts I found most troubling:
In a situation where people are trying to blackmail and intimidate us, threatening to destroy our business, there are business reasons not to reward this sort of behaviour. This isn't just the psychology of someone who becomes more stubborn the more they're pushed. The issue is that at no point in the history of any successful business, success was not reached by bowing to aggressive, unfriendly force. No decision -- even the most correct one -- should be taken under duress.

...

And there's a third category of people. They constantly, throughout the history of LJ's existence, come forward with loud initiatives whose purpose is to harm LJ and its creators, to bankrupt them, to ruin their reputation. For the most part, these people are driven by a need for attention, and that need is always validated.
If these sections don't refer to the people criticizing SUP now on [info]news posts and planning the temporary boycott, they don't make much sense in context, so please clarify. How are any of our actions—or the actions of the people you are talking about, if not us—akin to blackmail or intimidation or sabotage? What makes you think we want to harm LJ or that we are unfriendly to it after years of loyal use and, in many cases, significant payment? Please explain this.

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[info]dolboeb
2008-03-20 05:47 am UTC (link)
The editing, reshuffling and recombining of what I was saying lead to inaccurate attributions.
For instance, what I said about intimidation, related to a 2006 case cited above, namely that of [info]antisponsoredlj. It's not a long community, I suggest that you have a look at it, and this is the case I was referring to. I had no intention to judge you or your motives, I don't know you to pass judgement on you or your motives (ditto for thousands of otheк users unhappy with the decision to stop serving basic accounts). I was referring to some past cases, when ultimatums were served to LJ management, and flashmobs initiated to make the company hurt, just because someone didn't like ads, or sponsored communities, or neonazi account suspension, and such.

I believe that someone with years of loyal use, someone who chose LJ over other platforms, knows to value the service, wants it to remain the place of communication, not flames and fighting, and is rather interested in a productive and constructive dialog with the service, than just shutting it down to make a point. Indeed, the service may do things that disappointed even its most loyal users - but any mistake can be corrected through dialog. I remember a number of past decisions that caused an outcry. Users expressed their views, argued their objections, they were heard, and bad decisions were rescinded. I don't remember a single case, when compromise were reached by a refusal to talk, and a shutdown.

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[info]flammo
2008-03-20 05:27 am UTC (link)
Thank you very much for your explanation!

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[info]safiiru
2008-03-20 05:29 am UTC (link)
It's worth noting that invite codes were not required over the entirety of LiveJournal's pre-Six-Apart days. They were originally introduced, if I recall correctly, to slow the growth of the site, and remained for some time after that need disappeared because they aided in the identification of sockpuppet trolling journals and the like. They were finally eliminated quite some time before the Six Apart takeover.

It's also worth noting that the feature gap between the old free accounts and paid accounts was always quite significant, and one of those features - the so-called "fastlane" - really became valuable whenever the LJ was in need of new servers, which of course was when it most needed more people to sign up for paid time. So it's not as though paid users were acting entirely - or even mostly - out of the goodness of their hearts.

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[info]dolboeb
2008-03-20 05:57 am UTC (link)
You're absolutely right about the codes, they were only active between fall of 2001 and December 2003, I believe. You're also right about the fastlane being important.

In my quote I was just stating the OFFICIAL LJ POSITION, as it was coined by LJ itself: you don't pay for the features, you pay because you like the service, and you don't want to see banners. As a matter of fact, I believe both parts of this statement can be disputed, as far as users were concerned. But the statement was there, and it clearly expressed the official LJ position. And then we saw a totally different text in that page, reflecting a change in that position. I was only stating historical facts here, and once I got accused of both lying and being ignorant about these things, I produced a documental proof.

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[info]ljcygnet
2008-03-20 05:48 am UTC (link)
Hi. I'm the editor of Firefox News.

If you'd like to shoot me an e-mail I'd be happy to set up an interview with you to be posted on the site, so there's no chance of mistranslation and you can tell your side in your words, in English.

-- Leva
leva@firefox.org

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[info]elionwyr
2008-03-20 01:11 pm UTC (link)
(Yay!)

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[info]lied_ohne_worte
2008-03-20 06:25 am UTC (link)
I appreciate that you took the time to clarify your views on the issue; please allow me to make some remarks in regard to some of the points you addressed.

Sup has its top management, there is also a press-service in both hemispheres, so there is absolutely no need to construe my own personal opinion of a Russian blogger (and creator of such respected free speech outlets as Lenta.Ru, Gazeta.Ru and NewsRu.Com) as an official message of Sup corporation, or its management, to the LJ users.

The problem with this was that your interview was pretty much the only message users received about this issue (if you don't count a a short comment made by another employee in the news post that did not really answer anyone's questions). If people are not informed about something, it shouldn't come as a surprise that they start to dig for information wherever they find it, and your interview was by far the closest thing to an official statement that was available.

Anyone visiting my blog in LJ (not reading it, just looking at the first page) is offered a glimpse at my pages in some networks, like LinkedIn and Facebook, and he can see my official English title there.

Excuse me, but when I look at your journal, I don't immediately see anything like that - for starters, most of the text and link titles are in Russian, which I do not read. I actually clicked on the "Disclaimer!" link when your interview was first being discussed; sadly, this disclaimer is only in Russian. If it addresses your personal relationship to SUP and LiveJournal, it might be a good idea to add an English version of it to the website you link to.

Also, please let me point out that neither those people providing translations (however true they might have been) of that interview nor those discussing them were only Americans. I for one am not, nor are many other users. I am disturbed that many users who criticise SUP do so by generating anti-Russian feelings; that is not a good thing, and I do not support anything like that. However, I also believe that it won't help to try to make the criticisms appear as only coming from Americans, while the Russian users are the "good guys". This doesn't appear to be true to me, as I have seen many Russians who are extremely critical of SUP. But even worse, this can generate an us-vs-them feeling, with the rest of the LJ userbase sitting in the middle, feeling either as if we are ignored or don't matter in the grand scheme of things.

Again, thank you for addressing this issue.

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[info]akai_houshi
2008-03-20 12:26 pm UTC (link)
As far as I know, Russians was extremely sceptic about SUP from the very beginning. When SUP's acquisition of LJ became public, in the "cyrillic sector" of LJ there was vast bulk of opinions that LJ's future is now doubtful.
Well, as it goes now, sceptics was right. Ignoring opinions and interests of users and taking away options of service is not a good idea for the weblog network.

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(no subject) - [info]samael_an, 2008-03-20 02:26 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]lied_ohne_worte, 2008-03-20 04:20 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]ozqueen
2008-03-20 06:37 am UTC (link)
Hey, you know what would help, maybe? Talk to US first, NOT the media. If you let US know what was going on we wouldn't have to draw our own conclusions from the threadbare sources we can find, for God's sake. It's really hard not to be pissed off when we see people from livejournal off talking to other sources about things rather than talking to the actual users.

Maybe next time your words won't be "mistranslated" because HOPEFULLY you'll have the sense to keep us in the know. Can you tell that I'm still incredibly pissed about all of this? WOW.

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[info]elionwyr
2008-03-20 01:12 pm UTC (link)
Absolutely.

This was a repetition of a past mistake.

Please, learn from the past.
Talk to the user base first, THEN talk to the media.
Or issue statements across the board.

Stop making the LJ community hunt down news about decisions and attitudes that directly affect us.

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[info]thevelvetsun
2008-03-20 06:44 am UTC (link)
Okay, drawing on that EXACT link you posted...

So what cool features will I get?
No Banner Ads!
LiveJournal.com email address
Personalized domain name
Customize your journal
Text Messaging
Multiple user pictures

So please explain why exactly you thought people were simply paying donations without getting any features? I see a very clear list of features there.

I'd appreciate a response, please.

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[info]the_impassive
2008-03-21 12:26 am UTC (link)
Seconding this post. When I upgraded to my first paid account in 2004, it was specifically to have the ability to customize my journal and have a few more userpics.

The archived link says "nearly all of LiveJournal's functionality is available free of charge" - note "nearly" - and then goes on to list the functionality granted to paid users, as this commenter quoted.

"'Even if you pay, you will receive NOTHING extra for it. Your money is a donation. Do you like the project? Donate!' "

"NOTHING extra" versus "cool features" needs some clarification, and I'd appreciate a response as well.

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(no subject) - [info]veracity, 2008-03-21 02:27 am UTC (Expand)
Reposted for typo correction
[info]darkrosetiger
2008-03-20 07:18 am UTC (link)
Mr. Nosik,

I am probably the "third party" you're referencing here. For the record, the translation that I posted was done on the fly as a favor to me by a native Russian-speaking friend who is not a professional translator. I do not believe that he intended any malice, or that he had any ulterior motive, or that he intentionally misrepresented what you said. The alternate translation did not, in my opinion, change what appeared to be an adversarial approach on your part to LJ users who are unhappy with the service.( I admit that I'm somewhat puzzled by the fact that an internet veteran like yourself didn't realize that the interview would get out, and would be translated.) Regardless, I do want to apologize for my part in directing anger at you personally, rather than Live Journal as a corporate entity.

After reading this post, I do have some remaining questions:

Speaking of a 2006 protest against the introduction of sponsored communities in LiveJournal (see antisponsoredlj for the story), I said, that contacts of LJ advertisers were posted in public, together with an invitation to flood them with calls of protest, thus undermining the LJ ads business. In my personal opinion, it's an idiocy for an LJ user, wishing well to the service, to follow such instructions from someone whose contribution to LJ is unclear, to say the least. But I believe no one did follow them.

Are you aware that the most recent instance of LJ users contacting advertisers was related to the beheading video that was posted? Does the comment above also apply to those users? And were you aware that many, if not most of those of us who have issues with LJ do not and never have belong to [info]antisponsoredlj?

Luckily, the text is freely available from Archive.Org for anyone who cares to see for himself, who's lying here, who's mistaken, and who was simply quoting the LJ official position about payments.

That's the statement that was up when I converted my Basic account into a Paid account in 2002. Part of my reason was that I believe in financially supporting open-source projects that I use, but the other reason was more selfish: Paid accounts had more features. I wanted more icon space, a personalized URL, faster server access, and the @livejournal.com email address. Saying that there was no difference between the Basic and Paid accounts is simply wrong.

So much for the myth about freeloaders beeing more welcome in LiveJournal of 2002-2003, than they are today.

I'm willing to put money down that the majority of paid users prior to 2005 started out as free users. That was the hook: you can get a free account, with no ads, that's not something everyone can have. Free, no ads, and the perception of being part of a select group of "cool kids" are what built LJ and created the original culture. I realize that cultures change, but if you want to get the longtime users to buy into those changes, then you need to start by having a dialogue and not, for example, trying to slip changes in under the radar and then wonder why people are so upset.

Also, you may want to consider using a word without the negative connotations of "freeloader" if you don't want people to assume you see the users as the enemy. Just saying.

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[info]lapot
2008-03-20 10:54 am UTC (link)
Two more guys translated this shit, so you can compare 4 of them:

http://community.livejournal.com/no_lj_ads/78466.html
http://dimrub.livejournal.com/653140.html?view=9797716&style=mine
http://furiosity.livejournal.com/472399.html

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...and another apology - [info]darkrosetiger, 2008-03-20 11:05 am UTC (Expand)
no need in any apology - [info]liza_mary_p, 2008-03-20 09:06 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]caersidi
2008-03-20 07:48 am UTC (link)
Thank you for posting this.

I remember the invite codes (Deadjournal still uses them) and yes it was rather frustrating.

I know with all this turmoil that celebrations were probably not on anyone's mind but looking back to March 2003 as I was today, I noted that the 18th of March was the birth date of LiveJournal. Nine years and 2 days old.

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[info]forgers
2008-03-20 07:49 am UTC (link)
The fact is, SUP is mismanaged, one hand doesn't know what the other is doing, and LJ it is in fact filling with idiots.

Whether there are or there aren't basic accounts is not as important anymore.

You fundamentally cannot trust a service like this, in my opinion. The Kommersant Daily today runs a report of the unidentified security officers raiding the BP offices in Moscow. With legal and financial control shifting to these irresponsible and greedy folks, there's no choice for any reasonable person but to leave.

I hope me and my friends will leave en masse for a Russia-oriented local journal.

My American friends are leaving to Vox.

Once we coordinate the exodus, we'll depart synchronously, with as much of our friends as possible. That's the migration solution, and that's my response to the above and all that other SUP mantras.

Hope we'll be able to say soon: good luck and thanks for all the fish!

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[info]thies
2008-03-20 07:57 am UTC (link)
just a suggestion, a post which appears to be written by a human being as opposed to looking like it was constructed from a markteing 101 toolkit like the recent news post go a long way towards having more happy customers.

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[info]t_link
2008-03-20 09:06 am UTC (link)
Здравствуйте, Антон!

Меня зовут Анастасия, я модератор сообщества celestial_map http://community.livejournal.com/celestial_map/.

В сообществе мы планируем составить каталог блогов известных людей – на иностранных языках. В связи с этим, хотелось бы узнать, читаете ли Вы блоги кого-либо из зарубежных коллег (или просто известных личностей)? Если да – кого именно, если нет – кого Вам было бы интересно почитать?

Буду благодарна Вам за ответ, который очень поможет работе нашего сообщества! Ответить можно здесь или в сообществе celestial_map http://community.livejournal.com/celestial_map/.

Спасибо!

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[info]abba_ueban
2008-03-21 01:40 pm UTC (link)
Что за хуйня??!!!

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[info]j_volfson
2008-03-20 09:45 am UTC (link)
I am a native Russian speaker residing in the US. I read both your interview and its English translation here http://community.livejournal.com/ljspeaks/12061.html. I must say that although it is not 100% word-to-word-perfect-translation, it is quite decent and gives a clear picture of your attitude towards LJ audience, as well as your personal position on the recent SUP initiative. And I must say that all the comments to the entry linked above are quite to the point as well.

As for your current post - pure rhetoric. Ridiculous!

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[info]thevelvetsun
2008-03-20 04:19 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for saying that. He made it sound like it's entirely the fault of the translation. It's nice to hear from a Russian speaker that his comments and attitudes weren't misinterpreted after all. He is just back-peddling now.

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интервью izbrannoe.ru
[info]telenl
2008-03-20 10:05 am UTC (link)
Dear Anton,

You claim that your words were distorted by our correspondent. Does it mean that you have nothing against the publication of the audio file of the interview for IZBRANNOE.RU?

Luydmila Telen, Editor-in-chief

Уважаемый Антон,

Вы утверждаете, что ваши слова в интервью для IZBRANNOE.RU были искажены. Означает ли это, что вы не возражаете против публикации аудиозаписи этого интервью?

Людмила Телень, главный редактор IZBRANNOE.RU

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Re: интервью izbrannoe.ru
[info]workaway
2008-03-20 10:24 am UTC (link)
Уважаемая Людмила, правда ли, что Вы опубликовали интервью без согласования конечного текста с человеком, которого интервьюировали?

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